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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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from Australia for science and reason

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yes it's the skeptic zone podcast

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episode number 464 for the 10th of

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September 2017 richardsaunders here with

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you from Sydney Australia it's a very

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nice day outside a nice sort of a late

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winter early spring day a bit of smoke

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around they're doing hazard reduction

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around Sydney so the smoke is wafting

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around maybe I should do a separate

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podcast on weather reports coming up on

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this week's show we're gonna kick off

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with a fun adventure I had with the

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stranger things down on the Facebook

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group Alethea Dene and Lara Benham and I

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took a car out to Casula southwest of

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Sydney for the odds paranormal and

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spiritual Expo as a modest spiritual

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new-age sort of fare where we chat some

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interesting people selling UFO

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paraphernalia and ghost hunts and all

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sorts of things and I do enjoy those

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adventures with the stranger things

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group and I I do love going to

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paranormal type Expos and we discussed

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this we didn't record it but we will

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discuss it a bit later on with Alethea

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dean one of the people we spoke to was a

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lady who was convinced that crop circles

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were signs from aliens and when we

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suggested to her that you no longer hear

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much about them in the news they're sort

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of old hat you know something from there

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really from the last decade she was a

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bit upset about that and insisted that

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they're as much around as ever but you

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don't hear about them because the media

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is suppressed gagged and and that was

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all because I was wearing a crop circle

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tie I was wearing a crop circle tie

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because earlier that day yesterday

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morning I went to the TV studios of

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channel 7 here in Sydney to record a

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segment for the weekend sunrise

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programme life to where where I was

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chatting about the Australian skeptics

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$100,000 prize and at the end of today's

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show the last segment is me on that show

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the audio from me on that show chatting

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about that prize also I will read out

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the newspaper report though the online

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report I should say that

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to that TV appearance and I'll give my

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thoughts on the process and some of the

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people who have applied for the $100,000

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prize all of that at the end of the show

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somewhere halfway through the show

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Iran say give chats to dr. Karen

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Landsman an Israeli doctor who is very

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Pro vaccinations and doing a good job

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and halfway through their interview it's

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interrupted very rudely by Fraser Cain

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from the astronomy cast program I don't

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know why what was happening anyway the

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interview itself is is very interesting

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of course a grain of salt where the runs

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again as ever we have an episode of

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brouhaha science this week Ben Lewis

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will discuss aging how old can humans

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age how old will we get can we live to

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200 is a hundred enough how old will

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humans be with Ben Lewis also this week

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I chat to Chris Higgins from the UK who

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is helping to organize skippd camp in

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Manchester happening just before QED QED

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one of the better sceptical conventions

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anywhere in the world if you're in

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Manchester if you're going to QED or

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even if you're not you might want to go

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to skeptic camp all that informations

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coming up now as promised we'll keep you

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up-to-date with the continuing saga of

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dr. John peace he is the GP you remember

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from the last few episodes of skeptic

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zone that was at a screening of the

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movie VAX

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some weeks ago stood up and outed

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himself as an anti-vaxxer who helped

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parents avoid vaccinations for their

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children this story update comes to us

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published only in the last couple of

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hours at least Sydney Morning Herald s

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MH calm delay you finally achayan

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and it says medical regulator police

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raid anti vaccine peace mitchum clinic

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the medical regulator has raided the

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clinic of an anti vaccine

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GP seizing computers and patients files

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dr john pease who is temporarily

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suspended law being investigated for

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helping parents

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sidestep the no jab no play laws said

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the Australian health practitioner

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regulatory agency raided the Narenda

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James natural healing center in mitchum

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on Friday morning a Victorian

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policewoman spokesman said police

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accompanied the medical regulator to the

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practice the story goes on Victorian

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Health Minister Jill Hennessy since she

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was deeply concerned dr. Pierce had

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continued to practice and after years of

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disregard for Community Safety quote his

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arrogant boasting against her

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vaccinations are frustrating and

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irresponsible in quote miss Hennessy

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said now the story does go on there's a

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lot more to it than I've read out to you

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right now but I'll certainly link to

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that in the show notes that's enough for

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me at the moment I'm going to run

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downstairs and see if those cats are

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happy because Henriette and more the

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skeptic zone cats have just had their

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breakfast but as soon as I open the door

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they're going to tell me they haven't of

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course and they forgot all about that

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breakfast affair 20 minutes ago I'm

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gonna run downstairs I'm gonna have my

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own breakfast of an English muffin with

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a bit of butter and some quince jelly

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why I enjoy all that and a cup of coffee

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while I enjoy all that I hope you enjoy

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the sceptic zone

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on Saturday just yesterday in fact I

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went with the stranger things down under

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Facebook group - the odds paranormal and

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spiritual Expo at the Casula powerhouse

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Casula being southwest of Sydney it was

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a great day out with a Lara Benham and

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Alethea Dean both happened to be also

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part of the Australian skeptics

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committee and what fun it was to drive

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down in a little pink mini I chatted to

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ilithyia on the way into the expo coming

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along to see what we can find is a lot

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of cars parked here so presumably a lot

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of people inside but we shall go in and

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see what we find out

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jarett's have in store for us today

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Oh crispy yes the Casula house kazuto

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power house is very own in residence

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spirit crispy the ghost see if he is

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around to greet us sounds like a

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breakfast cereal well we're in the air

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power house now it's pretty full there

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are lots of stores here I'm looking at

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crystals that seem to be lit up little

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figurines of gnomes and goblins Letha

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what did she tell you I don't know

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there were English words involved but I

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could something-something

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my intuition has a color and it wants to

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speak to me and she's gonna give me a

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consultation and the discounted price

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would have been 35 bucks on the note

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what if I think I had a bottle to spray

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stuff on my chakra I'm not sure if I

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actually get to go away with the bottle

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I always thought your chakras need a bit

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of spray Olivia don't even know what

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sharper yeah we've come across a

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wonderful stand here selling all sorts

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of aliens look at it it's an alien band

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that we got a saxophonist a guitarist a

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keyboard player yeah they're all great

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we call them grazie yes Pete oh that's a

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beautiful one he's listening to his

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headphones about 4 feet tall

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we've got UFOs little models of UFOs

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everywhere yes and what about this an

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alien in a coffee mug that is pretty

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funny now that this is my favorite

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almost say that's a lifelike alien man a

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little model of a grey alien you've got

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a big area 51 model here that's the

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support model wow that looks fantastic

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he's holding up a model of a classic

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flying saucer it looks terrific and how

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long have you been interested in aliens

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in UFOs last 10 years yeah yeah I've

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been studying them really what if what

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if you didn't discover that a mini

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Australian recording the Air Force last

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Australia then I went to my country

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Turkey Istanbul I sawed a couple of them

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yeah and I was really getting her back

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it's a bit noisy in this room they're

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making all sorts of announcements but I

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do like your setup do you have a web

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page I do I am on Facebook you're on

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Facebook how can we find you our Sydney

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UFO Club Sydney UFO guy all my captures

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the UFO videos all there you can watch

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them all that's great thank you very

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much for a serve Sydney UFO Club on

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Facebook will definitely give it a look

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because I am so impressed by all the

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wonderful aliens I think I'm gonna have

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to buy one actually I'm so impressed by

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these wonderful aliens thank you very

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much Horace so much to see here today

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and what do we have here moon Loch

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what's moon like all about so many like

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meteor is a small family based media

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company that focuses on spiritual and

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paranormal content so we do a lot of

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documentary series I'm focusing on ghost

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stories and paranormal stories as well

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you've told me you've just recently come

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back from places like the Czech Republic

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as well as Hungary Slovakia and the

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Ukraine and in the Ukraine we

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specifically went to UM Chernobyl the

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site of the nuclear disaster in 1986 yes

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those creepy as it sounds absolutely so

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it's this entire city that's been

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completely abandoned and forgotten by

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time and my people people have returned

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after the disaster to try to take back

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some of their items but they were highly

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radiated so it's just yeah it's insane

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so a lot of place that we visited were

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just left as they were yeah so we

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visited like for example the hospital

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there were you know surgery beds and

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medicine cabinets and old records and

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whatnot

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and I'm just been alerted here to a

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photograph of one of these Ward's

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abandoned Ward from Genoa because you

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have a wonderful display of very

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atmospheric photographs you're a

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photographer a taker yes yes I'm a

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photographer so I mostly focus on

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documenting in situ so it's basically a

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scene that is the way it is and I take a

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photo of it to basically record it

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that's my job so I'm a documentarian

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that's great and how can we find your

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things online so you can find us through

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moon like meteor on Facebook and

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probably investigate a series on

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Facebook as well you can find me on

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Instagram so urban dystopian should be a

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little picture of me with the ferris

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wheel from Chernobyl in the background

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yep so I guess the the quickest way is

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to look for moon lark on Facebook and

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people can take it from there well thank

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you very much thank you very much I'm

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lovely day what a fascinating table 8c a

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ppi table we've got o s trillion

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paranormal phenomenon investigations try

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to set investigators try to say that

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three times quickly and I'm looking at

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little ghosties that change color a

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little skull there there's various Ghost

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detectors and and look look a boo bear

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yes what can you tell me about the boo

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bear okay so here's a a very interactive

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tool that investigators use so he

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records he speaks he will tell you

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temperature fluctuations so if it's

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getting colder or hotter in a room he'll

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have a little announcement for you you

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can plug him in and download all the

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information that you recorded on him oh

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yes and it's just like a teddy bear so

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the idea is you can set him up leave him

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and leave him in a room and you can come

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back and you can download all the info

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see what I've said see what it's caught

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and because he talks and everything as

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well you can kind of hear him saying

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things that are going on so you don't

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have to vote obese in there you're in

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another room you can hear this bear

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talking to you and especially in a place

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like this we have we have a little a

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ghost that we have here a little girl

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crispy or is that another one that's

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another one that's another one that's

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another one

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so the girl's been sighted actually a

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lot and she's in the old Victorian style

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dress and we had a few people up on the

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balcony just behind you say they've seen

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this little girl peering around corners

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at them they've heard her rolling balls

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and bouncing balls and going to chase

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them so we like to think that this one's

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really good for any of the the little

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ago so that we might have floating

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around and even just because it's

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interesting like you don't really expect

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like a teddy bear to be and like these

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you know all the kind of faces and

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everything like that forget to get

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through Bryan's $25

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get your tickets at the front

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I think we're safe now we said we're so

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from loudspeakers we're probably safe

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from the ghosts how can people find out

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more about your organization there's a

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few different ways Facebook I always say

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is the best one so just jump online

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facebook.com slash happy ghost from dot

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hunt or we've got a P ghost hunts calm

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but you can always come in and view us

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at one of our venues we've got over

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eight venues now that you can come and

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see we've got tours and ghost hunts

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happening so depending on what you like

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tours will give you a little bit of the

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history and our own experiences and

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guest experiences hunts are a little bit

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more in-depth where we'll take you

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through the history and things as well

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but we'll also hand your equipment we'll

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teach you how to use it and then we'll

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take you out and try and find some

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ghosties for you it sounds just the

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ticket I'll I'll have to tell my friends

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at the stranger things done under

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Facebook group thank you very much thank

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you so much for another year just

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strolling back to the oh it's a pink

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mini doesn't that look great Alethea

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it's beautiful selection of merchandise

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i bought a guitar playing alien and they

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light up ghosts now we met somebody

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interesting in there when we were just

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chatting around some of the people a

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lady took notice of my tie which is a

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crop circles and proceeded to tell us i

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said to her that you don't hear much

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about crop circles anymore and she

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looked a bit horrified no cuz apparently

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there's there's lots of things about

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crop circles it's just suppressed by

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mainstream media because of fake news

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that's what she told us and then her

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word that's exactly what she said she

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proceeded to tell us about a guy who's

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coming out here to talk about it and I

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said but he's not he's not being

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repressed he's talking how does that

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work

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um but you can tell he's totally legit

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because he has two diplomas from Cal

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Tech what a fascinating time it is and

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as we always say on the skeptic zone if

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you're thinking about going to a psychic

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fair do by all means go along and ask

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questions and see what it's all about I

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think that's that's pretty important it

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is very important

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and I I think the reason we generally

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have a good time as most of these people

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are really genuine and positive about

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their beliefs they're having a good time

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so it's very easy to just go with the

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flow and enjoy it for what it is it

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certainly is

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oh well until next year when I think we

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might even have another table here

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that's always a lot of fun signing off

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from the paranormal expert

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[Music]

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so yes so simply yes hey Sal you guys

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guys I just had the most amazing

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experience

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you've been to the pub children dogs

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hang out with mash you know she was

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blessed by peter Popoff no Jelena I'm

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not talking about psychics it was a

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really SP experience now you have been

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to the pub either that or you've been

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smoking something no punches the ESB

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is the European skeptics podcast it's

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the most amazing thing you get to know

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activities across Europe you know events

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hot topics and interviews with lots of

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interesting people oh wow cool by the

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way punters you just committed the false

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dichotomy fallacy I guess that means I'm

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really wrong

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yep then you can even learn about those

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fallacies in the show and hear about

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people spreading silly ideas you should

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really check it out it's the ESP the

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European sceptics podcast it's on never

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weak alright so where can I get this is

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the experience it sounds good

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you can go online at the ESP dough to

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you follow it on twitter at es podcast

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underscore EU or like the podcast on

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Facebook oh and you can also contact the

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subscribe do a quick search for the

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I don't know how you can be let's all

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take this with a grain of salt

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he's around ticket with me is dr. Karen

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Landsman whose first sentence when we

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met for the first time several years ago

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was that her favorite disease is the

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plague I'm not sure I'm not sure whether

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it was your name first and then the

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plague the plague first and then your

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name so do you want to start by telling

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me about you're interested in the plague

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we'll talk about that in a moment okay

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so my interest in a play in the plague

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started when I was 12 I think I ran into

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this book I started reading this book

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about great plagues in humanity and I

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discovered that something that we can't

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seek and destroy half of Europe within

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four years and it amazed me the power

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that things so little have on you know

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and everything on human beings on

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history on everything

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this society changed because of the

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plague so and it's an amazing disease of

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its own but you know the influence is

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what matters okay so did you first of

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all that's how it became your favorite

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disease yes okay great

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the way to be my favorite is to have

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major influence in human history okay

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the note if any disease is listening

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okay and and did that influence the you

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becoming a doctor no I wanted to become

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a doctor way way before that this is why

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I opened the book to begin with

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that book just second let's article

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hello excuse me who are you okay so do

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you want to join us

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wait don't I can't we're talking about

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the Black Plague yeah I told you about

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it between jr. and grizzly bears no

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pressure he's gonna Richard's gonna cut

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it out right maybe oh god no no way

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all right this is all spec this is all

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definitely stated so you wanted to be a

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doctor yes is why you open the book yes

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yes I wanted to be a doctor since I was

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four since my pediatrician excuse me for

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a second you can't leave no but noise

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thanks raiser he said he can't we'll

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have to take it as a given

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okay so that was to all our listeners

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that was there hello and quick goodbye

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from Fraser Cain okay okay but do you

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can you open the yes I was four

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yes why was I decided I want to be a

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doctor when I was four because my

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pediatrician always gave me candy at the

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end of each visit and then I understood

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that doctors are nice people who give

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kids candies and I decided that this is

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what I want to do when I grow up okay so

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the thing is anti-vaxxers would have you

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believe that doctors are those nasty

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people who jab you with a needle the

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size of a major artery and when I'm

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talking about major artery as in a rope

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major road not a major artery in the

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body yeah yeah yeah

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you don't agree

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not RIT no my view of doctors is a book

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if so tell me token okay so speaking

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about the ante vexes you've had some

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battles with them in Israel you've been

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involved with it it's all your fault you

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know okay tell me about it because you

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went to Israel a couple of years ago and

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you told us about the problems of with

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anti-vaxxers in Australia and of

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children dying of pertussis in Australia

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yeah and this got me interested in the

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in the vaccine situation in Israel which

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I haven't been paying that close

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attention before we met okay and then we

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met and they looked into the data and I

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was horrified to find out that how

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horrible things were I was horrified to

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find out the pockets of anti-vaxxers in

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Israel which caused a very low

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vaccination rate in the population where

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outbreaks came out are breaks of

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pertussis and we recently have outbreak

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of measles and I became very involved in

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2013 when we had a silent outbreak of

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polio when we they discovered poliovirus

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in the sewers yeah they found out that

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there is a problem with vaccination with

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the vaccination status of some of the

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children in Israel and started the

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government started a nationwide campaign

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for polio vaccination and a lot of

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people were against this vaccine this

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vaccine which I got i vaccinate both my

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kids is essential it prevents death

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it's him so it's so reasonable to

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vaccinate and I suddenly huge movement

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came out and said no to vaccine no to

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the polio vaccine this is when I got

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involved really involved in the campaign

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Pro in the products in campaign in

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Israel on me and a couple of my friends

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we were very involved in that campaign

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and later we founded a volunteer

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organization which is dedicated to in

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prove public health in Israel and

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increase vaccination the name of that

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organization is me which just roughly

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translates into informed informed

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knowledge yeah so what what do you guys

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do at the moment to tell you are you

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active at the moment or yes

544
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unfortunately very active we currently

545
00:25:21,629 --> 00:25:15,830
have an outbreak of measles and lately a

546
00:25:25,570 --> 00:25:21,639
couple of cases of chickenpox and

547
00:25:28,779 --> 00:25:25,580
pertussis is always a problem so we we

548
00:25:32,169 --> 00:25:28,789
have a couple of levels of activities we

549
00:25:34,899 --> 00:25:32,179
we are both we have a very active group

550
00:25:39,399 --> 00:25:34,909
we have the largest Hebrew active group

551
00:25:42,820 --> 00:25:39,409
in about vaccines in Facebook we have a

552
00:25:45,879 --> 00:25:42,830
very active Twitter account we have a

553
00:25:47,740 --> 00:25:45,889
huge site with all of the material

554
00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:47,750
regarding vaccines and preventive

555
00:25:57,249 --> 00:25:53,210
medicaid preventive medicine all kinds

556
00:25:58,810 --> 00:25:57,259
of areas and we give lectures and we

557
00:26:02,680 --> 00:25:58,820
give lectures in schools and we give

558
00:26:06,909 --> 00:26:02,690
lectures to nurses and doctors and we

559
00:26:10,029 --> 00:26:06,919
have leaflets and we answer parents

560
00:26:12,070 --> 00:26:10,039
questions and we give talks and

561
00:26:13,509 --> 00:26:12,080
interview on the radio and everything

562
00:26:15,580 --> 00:26:13,519
that we can in order to increase

563
00:26:18,100 --> 00:26:15,590
vaccination rate because we want to

564
00:26:20,919 --> 00:26:18,110
protect children that's a very important

565
00:26:25,899 --> 00:26:20,929
goal now is it true that some of the

566
00:26:28,350 --> 00:26:25,909
anti vaccine component in Israel is to

567
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do with religion like the ultra-orthodox

568
00:26:33,669 --> 00:26:30,769
have lower immunization rates yes we

569
00:26:37,180 --> 00:26:33,679
have three major groups of people who do

570
00:26:39,879 --> 00:26:37,190
not vaccinate one is ultra religious

571
00:26:44,049 --> 00:26:39,889
groups in which we have no way to

572
00:26:46,570 --> 00:26:44,059
communicate one is the high

573
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socioeconomic status that we know from

574
00:26:49,919 --> 00:26:49,009
other anti vaccination movements and the

575
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third is

576
00:26:54,149 --> 00:26:51,639
very large group of people who just

577
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don't have access to vaccines from all

578
00:26:58,049 --> 00:26:55,990
kinds of reasons either they're from

579
00:27:00,810 --> 00:26:58,059
very low socioeconomic status or have

580
00:27:03,499 --> 00:27:00,820
many kids and just don't get enough time

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00:27:05,519 --> 00:27:03,509
to get to get to finish vaccinations so

582
00:27:08,759 --> 00:27:05,529
it sounds like these would be the

583
00:27:11,159 --> 00:27:08,769
easiest ones to get to somehow because

584
00:27:13,049 --> 00:27:11,169
they do not they don't object no it's

585
00:27:15,930 --> 00:27:13,059
not objective or since they just need

586
00:27:18,239 --> 00:27:15,940
access to things and they are the

587
00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:18,249
easiest if the government does something

588
00:27:25,230 --> 00:27:21,850
to increase access what we do in those

589
00:27:29,190 --> 00:27:25,240
cases is try to talk with nurses and see

590
00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:29,200
if we can help somehow so so in that

591
00:27:33,060 --> 00:27:31,450
case with the main focus for you would

592
00:27:35,190 --> 00:27:33,070
be the high socioeconomic people who

593
00:27:39,060 --> 00:27:35,200
think that dr. Google can cure them yes

594
00:27:41,310 --> 00:27:39,070
okay or not necessarily but a lot of

595
00:27:43,519 --> 00:27:41,320
people who are vaccine hesitant which

596
00:27:45,930 --> 00:27:43,529
I'm sure you have in Australia as well

597
00:27:48,779 --> 00:27:45,940
parents who are very worried about their

598
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kids who read who listen who actually

599
00:27:54,810 --> 00:27:52,450
take very take who are very interested

600
00:27:57,960 --> 00:27:54,820
in everything that has to do with health

601
00:28:00,539 --> 00:27:57,970
which is good I want people to get to

602
00:28:02,999 --> 00:28:00,549
make informed decisions about their

603
00:28:05,759 --> 00:28:03,009
health but I think they should do it

604
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with a professional with their

605
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:08,110
pediatrician with their nurse with

606
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somebody who knows the child who can

607
00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:12,549
give counsel according to the child

608
00:28:19,460 --> 00:28:16,050
status and not somebody on the Internet

609
00:28:21,950 --> 00:28:19,470
so how do you go about it well we do it

610
00:28:24,350 --> 00:28:21,960
in several ways one is give lectures in

611
00:28:27,380 --> 00:28:24,360
school and give lectures to parents and

612
00:28:29,300 --> 00:28:27,390
answer you know the usual questions

613
00:28:31,910 --> 00:28:29,310
about vaccines and why we should

614
00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:31,920
vaccinate and what are the most common

615
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:34,050
claims against vaccines and we try to

616
00:28:39,590 --> 00:28:37,170
give answers the second is there is a

617
00:28:41,780 --> 00:28:39,600
Facebook group we have a couple of

618
00:28:44,540 --> 00:28:41,790
thousands people I don't remember how

619
00:28:47,510 --> 00:28:44,550
many thousand parents coming to ask

620
00:28:50,210 --> 00:28:47,520
questions and we try to give them access

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00:28:55,850 --> 00:28:50,220
to you know give them links to the CDC

622
00:28:58,870 --> 00:28:55,860
or Pediatrics or you know proper sources

623
00:29:02,300 --> 00:28:58,880
and we try to calm them down and always

624
00:29:04,100 --> 00:29:02,310
refer them to their pediatrician always

625
00:29:08,090 --> 00:29:04,110
we don't give counsel on the internet

626
00:29:10,460 --> 00:29:08,100
and that the second the other component

627
00:29:12,860 --> 00:29:10,470
is our website which contains a lot of

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00:29:17,060 --> 00:29:12,870
information about every vaccine that is

629
00:29:19,970 --> 00:29:17,070
given within routine and other in some

630
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:19,980
special vaccine given in Israel now

631
00:29:29,570 --> 00:29:26,250
you're an epidemiologist right so does

632
00:29:31,730 --> 00:29:29,580
that help you in understanding what

633
00:29:36,250 --> 00:29:31,740
needs to be done and where the focus

634
00:29:44,690 --> 00:29:36,260
should be in terms of deniability vexes

635
00:29:47,630 --> 00:29:44,700
yes and so being a medical doctor in

636
00:29:50,420 --> 00:29:47,640
epidemiology and an epidemiologist helps

637
00:29:52,220 --> 00:29:50,430
me understand the background you know

638
00:29:55,070 --> 00:29:52,230
the the professional background I

639
00:29:57,710 --> 00:29:55,080
understand why the vaccines are given

640
00:29:59,570 --> 00:29:57,720
when they are given and why specific

641
00:30:02,060 --> 00:29:59,580
vaccines were chosen and others were not

642
00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:02,070
I can understand that I can even

643
00:30:07,900 --> 00:30:04,290
understand the way they are budgeted the

644
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:11,000
[Laughter]

645
00:30:17,450 --> 00:30:15,210
it the way that the way to communicate

646
00:30:19,220 --> 00:30:17,460
with parents comes from the clinical

647
00:30:22,850 --> 00:30:19,230
experience less from the epidemiological

648
00:30:24,860 --> 00:30:22,860
point of view and more from the clinical

649
00:30:27,470 --> 00:30:24,870
medical experience when you talk to a

650
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:27,480
parent in the world or in your clinic

651
00:30:32,090 --> 00:30:29,490
and you understand what are their

652
00:30:36,170 --> 00:30:32,100
concerns and how to answer them and how

653
00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:36,180
to how to give them more how to count

654
00:30:39,950 --> 00:30:37,530
them down and how to give them more

655
00:30:41,570 --> 00:30:39,960
knowledge more access to knowledge that

656
00:30:45,230 --> 00:30:41,580
they are looking for

657
00:30:47,270 --> 00:30:45,240
so is that do you at the moment of do

658
00:30:50,050 --> 00:30:47,280
you just go about the normal things you

659
00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:50,060
do or is there anything that you plan to

660
00:30:53,390 --> 00:30:52,410
is there a campaign that you're planning

661
00:30:57,230 --> 00:30:53,400
or anything like that or you're just

662
00:30:59,450 --> 00:30:57,240
going on about your daily daily life in

663
00:31:05,990 --> 00:30:59,460
terms of fighting the anti-vaxxers in me

664
00:31:10,460 --> 00:31:06,000
dad's or in my private life right so my

665
00:31:14,060 --> 00:31:10,470
dad is always planning we have going

666
00:31:16,130 --> 00:31:14,070
back to school campaign it's honest

667
00:31:19,430 --> 00:31:16,140
we're going back to school in September

668
00:31:21,590 --> 00:31:19,440
so we are getting ready to to all kinds

669
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:21,600
of questions when because we have

670
00:31:26,780 --> 00:31:23,850
routine vaccinations in the first the

671
00:31:29,860 --> 00:31:26,790
second and the eighth grade so we're

672
00:31:32,390 --> 00:31:29,870
preparing to answer questions we give

673
00:31:35,060 --> 00:31:32,400
short briefings to everybody in the

674
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:35,070
group if they want for routine questions

675
00:31:39,860 --> 00:31:37,170
there are no more questions we have new

676
00:31:41,420 --> 00:31:39,870
pages on our websites which right now I

677
00:31:45,020 --> 00:31:41,430
can't remember which they are even

678
00:31:46,790 --> 00:31:45,030
though I approved them because

679
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:46,800
everything with that publishes goes

680
00:31:52,940 --> 00:31:50,730
through me and in my personal life I

681
00:31:54,890 --> 00:31:52,950
just watched a total eclipse of the Sun

682
00:31:57,710 --> 00:31:54,900
so I'm happy and it has nothing to do

683
00:31:58,490 --> 00:31:57,720
with the anti-vaxxers happier right yeah

684
00:32:02,840 --> 00:31:58,500
very good

685
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:02,850
so in if people want to find you they

686
00:32:07,310 --> 00:32:05,730
can go to the Emma dot website and your

687
00:32:09,830 --> 00:32:07,320
Facebook page is that correct the

688
00:32:12,390 --> 00:32:09,840
Facebook page is called either K he left

689
00:32:14,850 --> 00:32:12,400
me that or

690
00:32:17,100 --> 00:32:14,860
holy mother blame I'm listening parents

691
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:17,110
talking about vaccines okay and so it

692
00:32:20,820 --> 00:32:18,490
will we'll put those in the show notes

693
00:32:22,890 --> 00:32:20,830
anyway is anywhere else that they can

694
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:22,900
find you always that it I think that's

695
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:25,330
about it okay okay that's one thank you

696
00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:38,050
very much thank you and now direct from

697
00:32:44,010 --> 00:32:40,330
the cafe and Australia's Science Channel

698
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:44,020
its brouhaha science in less time that

699
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:47,170
it takes to order a coffee with Ben

700
00:32:56,910 --> 00:32:54,490
Lewis it's a literal fight to the death

701
00:32:59,280 --> 00:32:56,920
groups of scientists all around the

702
00:33:00,990 --> 00:32:59,290
world of Locke dinner for years I've

703
00:33:03,450 --> 00:33:01,000
been trying to work out whether there's

704
00:33:05,220 --> 00:33:03,460
maximum age the humans and Dutch

705
00:33:07,530 --> 00:33:05,230
statisticians think they've confirmed

706
00:33:10,110 --> 00:33:07,540
the answer one hundred and fifteen point

707
00:33:12,810 --> 00:33:10,120
seven years for ladies and 114 for

708
00:33:14,340 --> 00:33:12,820
gentlemen this backs up a study from

709
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:14,350
last year which came to the same

710
00:33:21,330 --> 00:33:17,610
conclusion 115 is as old as we'll get

711
00:33:23,910 --> 00:33:21,340
sure life expectancy is increasing but

712
00:33:26,430 --> 00:33:23,920
the age of the very oldest people hasn't

713
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:26,440
increased and that the scientists say

714
00:33:32,540 --> 00:33:30,090
points to some kind of wall but oh boy

715
00:33:35,190 --> 00:33:32,550
researchers love to argue about this

716
00:33:37,490 --> 00:33:35,200
some say there is no limit and a

717
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:37,500
steadily increasing lifespan shows that

718
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:39,370
previous supposed limits have been

719
00:33:43,890 --> 00:33:41,410
proven wrong and disregarded you just

720
00:33:45,690 --> 00:33:43,900
need to wait long enough and last year's

721
00:33:49,110 --> 00:33:45,700
study was criticized for flawed

722
00:33:50,820 --> 00:33:49,120
statistics we know better than to stick

723
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:50,830
our nose in a flat-rate doesn't belong

724
00:33:54,270 --> 00:33:52,210
the dogs

725
00:33:56,430 --> 00:33:54,280
mice and plenty of other animals have

726
00:33:59,460 --> 00:33:56,440
age limits it's not a stretch to think

727
00:34:02,299 --> 00:33:59,470
humans might too so carpe diem science

728
00:34:41,369 --> 00:34:05,669
for more brouhaha and australian science

729
00:34:43,379 --> 00:34:41,379
visit www.surgicalscience.com the house

730
00:34:45,710 --> 00:34:43,389
science committee told you that climate

731
00:34:50,570 --> 00:34:45,720
change is nothing to worry about

732
00:34:53,010 --> 00:34:50,580
meanwhile up is down true is false

733
00:34:56,669 --> 00:34:53,020
Oceania has always been at war with

734
00:35:00,300 --> 00:34:56,679
Eastasia and dogs and cats may in fact

735
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:00,310
be living together enough already it's

736
00:35:06,420 --> 00:35:03,850
time once again for the forces of reason

737
00:35:08,820 --> 00:35:06,430
and science to come together time for

738
00:35:11,580 --> 00:35:08,830
critical thinkers to connect learn from

739
00:35:14,940 --> 00:35:11,590
each other and sharpen their skills time

740
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:14,950
for the leading lights of skepticism to

741
00:35:21,930 --> 00:35:17,770
share their wisdom and rally the troops

742
00:35:22,510 --> 00:35:21,940
it's time for saikhan 2017 back in las

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vegas

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[Music]

745
00:35:31,009 --> 00:35:27,950
October the 26th through the 29th joined

746
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:31,019
luminaries such as James the amazing

747
00:35:37,549 --> 00:35:34,410
Randi Richard Dawkins Eugenie Scott the

748
00:35:40,370 --> 00:35:37,559
skeptics guide to the universe susan

749
00:35:45,109 --> 00:35:40,380
gerbic Harriet Hall Richard Wiseman

750
00:35:45,739 --> 00:35:45,119
Carrie papi Joe Nickell and many many

751
00:35:48,019 --> 00:35:45,749
more

752
00:35:50,690 --> 00:35:48,029
the master of ceremonies is none other

753
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:50,700
than George Harrap for the biggest

754
00:35:55,220 --> 00:35:52,650
skeptics event of the year returning

755
00:35:57,529 --> 00:35:55,230
triumphantly to the Excalibur Hotel and

756
00:36:00,920 --> 00:35:57,539
Casino in Las Vegas the city of

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00:36:03,410 --> 00:36:00,930
illusions saikhan 2017 will be packed

758
00:36:06,049 --> 00:36:03,420
with fascinating talks and presentations

759
00:36:09,470 --> 00:36:06,059
dazzling entertainment and fun social

760
00:36:11,299 --> 00:36:09,480
events with fellow skeptics this October

761
00:36:13,670 --> 00:36:11,309
can get away from vague news and

762
00:36:17,989 --> 00:36:13,680
conspiracy theories filling up your news

763
00:36:22,069 --> 00:36:17,999
feeds at saikhan 2017 your alternative

764
00:36:27,830 --> 00:36:22,079
to alternative facts for more

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[Music]

766
00:36:48,930 --> 00:36:47,070
joining me now on the line from the UK

767
00:36:51,900 --> 00:36:48,940
it's non friend of mine Chris Higgins

768
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:51,910
hello Chris hey Richard how you doing

769
00:36:55,170 --> 00:36:53,770
I'm doing really well it's great to be

770
00:36:57,930 --> 00:36:55,180
able to catch up with you haven't seen

771
00:37:01,860 --> 00:36:57,940
you for a while and I well remember the

772
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:01,870
time way back in or was it 2010 that you

773
00:37:06,630 --> 00:37:04,450
were chosen as the wing man for James

774
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:06,640
Randi during his Australian visit I

775
00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:08,890
don't think I don't think I've ever

776
00:37:11,700 --> 00:37:10,690
heard that called wing man before but I

777
00:37:14,940 --> 00:37:11,710
wish I'd thought of that

778
00:37:16,860 --> 00:37:14,950
that's the best I said I used to tell

779
00:37:17,310 --> 00:37:16,870
every was assistant but wing man so much

780
00:37:20,850 --> 00:37:17,320
better

781
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:20,860
you were because we needed somebody just

782
00:37:24,720 --> 00:37:22,810
to help Randy with sundry items to

783
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:24,730
organize things to look out for him and

784
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:26,890
to do stuff like that and you got to

785
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:29,290
spend quite a whack of time there with

786
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:32,290
mr. Andy yeah all through Tam that was

787
00:37:38,310 --> 00:37:34,450
it feels so long ago now suppose it was

788
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:38,320
one I guess seven years now feel old oh

789
00:37:45,060 --> 00:37:41,410
dear well Randy I think you just turned

790
00:37:46,290 --> 00:37:45,070
what 89 or something like that yeah but

791
00:37:48,870 --> 00:37:46,300
that that was an exciting time for

792
00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:48,880
everybody and having spent time with

793
00:37:55,590 --> 00:37:51,130
James Randi myself it's it's it's quite

794
00:37:58,320 --> 00:37:55,600
an experience indeed now I'm having a

795
00:37:59,910 --> 00:37:58,330
quick chat with you today because as we

796
00:38:02,790 --> 00:37:59,920
mentioned last week on the skeptic zone

797
00:38:07,100 --> 00:38:02,800
coming up in Manchester in October we

798
00:38:09,300 --> 00:38:07,110
have the QED question explore discover

799
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:09,310
conference weekend which is fabulous

800
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:10,810
it's one of the better ones in the world

801
00:38:16,530 --> 00:38:13,930
I think but just before yeah yeah

802
00:38:19,620 --> 00:38:16,540
absolutely but just before in fact the

803
00:38:23,370 --> 00:38:19,630
Friday Friday the 13th leading up the

804
00:38:25,100 --> 00:38:23,380
QED there is skeptic camp in Manchester

805
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:25,110
what can you tell us about that

806
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:28,690
so skipped camp is I mean skeptic camps

807
00:38:33,450 --> 00:38:30,490
have been going for sort of I think

808
00:38:36,390 --> 00:38:33,460
about 10 years now Reed Reed Esau

809
00:38:40,410 --> 00:38:36,400
started the concept I think back at what

810
00:38:42,570 --> 00:38:40,420
are the big Vegas terms actually but the

811
00:38:43,500 --> 00:38:42,580
guys from QED wanted to put on basically

812
00:38:47,010 --> 00:38:43,510
an unofficial

813
00:38:49,350 --> 00:38:47,020
third day of the conference so so QED

814
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:49,360
runs over the Saturday in the sunday of

815
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:51,810
the weekend in October the 14th and 15th

816
00:38:56,610 --> 00:38:53,890
and it's obviously jam-packed with

817
00:38:58,680 --> 00:38:56,620
speakers and events and panels and all

818
00:39:00,810 --> 00:38:58,690
different stuff but what we wanted to do

819
00:39:02,790 --> 00:39:00,820
was actually have a sort of Community

820
00:39:05,700 --> 00:39:02,800
Day on the Friday and skip to camp with

821
00:39:07,530 --> 00:39:05,710
sort of the perfect fit for that so it's

822
00:39:09,210 --> 00:39:07,540
it's a free event completely free

823
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:09,220
whether you're attending QED or not if

824
00:39:13,530 --> 00:39:11,050
you're in Manchester you can just come

825
00:39:15,210 --> 00:39:13,540
along but obviously the the great thing

826
00:39:17,250 --> 00:39:15,220
about skip to camp is you don't have to

827
00:39:19,380 --> 00:39:17,260
just come along and attend you can

828
00:39:21,390 --> 00:39:19,390
actually submit a talk and give a

829
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:21,400
presentation yeah that's really the the

830
00:39:27,030 --> 00:39:24,010
idea you can go along and enjoy it and

831
00:39:29,220 --> 00:39:27,040
just hear people talk or if you're so

832
00:39:30,510 --> 00:39:29,230
desired you have something to say that

833
00:39:33,210 --> 00:39:30,520
you think might be interesting to a

834
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:33,220
general skeptical audience it's this is

835
00:39:38,240 --> 00:39:35,410
you're really it's your opportunity and

836
00:39:41,010 --> 00:39:38,250
you know it doesn't have to be a huge

837
00:39:43,650 --> 00:39:41,020
huge in-depth talk on Earth particular

838
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:43,660
subject you can speak your mind I think

839
00:39:47,580 --> 00:39:45,370
it's it's a wonderful opportunity for

840
00:39:50,010 --> 00:39:47,590
the general public to see what it's like

841
00:39:51,930 --> 00:39:50,020
to have to give a bit of a talk yeah

842
00:39:53,460 --> 00:39:51,940
absolutely I mean that the talks we kind

843
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:53,470
of kept them that everyone gets a

844
00:39:58,680 --> 00:39:55,690
15-minute slot and the way it works it's

845
00:40:00,450 --> 00:39:58,690
based on the the Ignite format which is

846
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:00,460
essentially you get 10 minutes for your

847
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:02,890
talk and your side your excuse me your

848
00:40:07,620 --> 00:40:05,050
slides are set to automatically advance

849
00:40:09,090 --> 00:40:07,630
so every 20 seconds your slide changes

850
00:40:10,950 --> 00:40:09,100
and that kind of keeps the pace up and

851
00:40:13,650 --> 00:40:10,960
it keeps the energy in there in the

852
00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:13,660
talks I didn't it stops people from just

853
00:40:16,590 --> 00:40:14,890
kind of getting stuck on one particular

854
00:40:18,030 --> 00:40:16,600
slide and then running out of time so it

855
00:40:20,610 --> 00:40:18,040
really just gets that momentum going

856
00:40:23,550 --> 00:40:20,620
it's a lot of fun wow that's interesting

857
00:40:27,720 --> 00:40:23,560
I have not seen that particular system

858
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:27,730
in action the last if I remember

859
00:40:31,980 --> 00:40:29,770
correctly the last time we had skeptic

860
00:40:34,110 --> 00:40:31,990
camp here in Australia I gave her full

861
00:40:36,420 --> 00:40:34,120
of 10-minute talk or something like that

862
00:40:38,580 --> 00:40:36,430
I just sort of made up on the spot about

863
00:40:39,990 --> 00:40:38,590
what it's like to bend spoons on radio

864
00:40:42,420 --> 00:40:40,000
and that sort of worked

865
00:40:47,610 --> 00:40:42,430
I remember that talk I think that was in

866
00:40:49,350 --> 00:40:47,620
Sydney's camp it was so I mean that's

867
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:49,360
pretty bizarre and out sort of a bit of

868
00:40:52,230 --> 00:40:50,770
out of left field sort of does cover

869
00:40:54,370 --> 00:40:52,240
skepticism but it's a sort of

870
00:40:56,410 --> 00:40:54,380
interesting quirky

871
00:40:58,840 --> 00:40:56,420
talk that you might not hear in a

872
00:41:02,920 --> 00:40:58,850
full-blown skeptical convention are you

873
00:41:05,830 --> 00:41:02,930
planning to ask give a talk no well

874
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:05,840
we'll see but I've done this for four

875
00:41:08,590 --> 00:41:07,370
kind of three years now and never done

876
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:08,600
one so I'm sure I'll get dragged up

877
00:41:12,700 --> 00:41:10,970
eventually but no at the moment I'm just

878
00:41:14,350 --> 00:41:12,710
looking after hosting and all that kind

879
00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:14,360
of stuff but I think you're right about

880
00:41:19,720 --> 00:41:17,810
the it's almost it's the wrong word but

881
00:41:21,850 --> 00:41:19,730
the it tends to attract like fringe

882
00:41:23,230 --> 00:41:21,860
topics you know people you know when you

883
00:41:24,820 --> 00:41:23,240
go to a skeptics convention there's lots

884
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:24,830
of talks about the sort of traditional

885
00:41:28,870 --> 00:41:26,810
stuff whether it's altmed or whether

886
00:41:30,940 --> 00:41:28,880
it's kind of psychics or magic and and

887
00:41:33,910 --> 00:41:30,950
all those kind of sort of staple topics

888
00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:33,920
but last year we had a talk about

889
00:41:41,740 --> 00:41:39,170
cannibalism we had talks about brown

890
00:41:43,890 --> 00:41:41,750
M&Ms there was a musical number good

891
00:41:46,810 --> 00:41:43,900
good very rarely get you know at a

892
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:46,820
skeptics you've injured but you get some

893
00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:48,410
really interesting sort of off the wall

894
00:41:55,180 --> 00:41:53,090
off the wall talks Wow well it sounds

895
00:41:58,510 --> 00:41:55,190
like something I should I should attend

896
00:42:01,270 --> 00:41:58,520
myself in fact I should try and get

897
00:42:06,010 --> 00:42:01,280
myself over to the next QED maybe in

898
00:42:07,570 --> 00:42:06,020
2019 1922 I've been trying to I've been

899
00:42:10,660 --> 00:42:07,580
trying to raise up all the the Aussie

900
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:10,670
rogues too to get up here and they keep

901
00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:12,650
saying oh yeah we'll do it next year but

902
00:42:16,990 --> 00:42:14,570
there's there's not nearly enough an

903
00:42:18,790 --> 00:42:17,000
Aussie contingent to QED so I want a few

904
00:42:20,530 --> 00:42:18,800
more no I totally agree there's just a

905
00:42:26,170 --> 00:42:20,540
little matter of a planet in the way

906
00:42:28,090 --> 00:42:26,180
that's all a small a small consideration

907
00:42:30,910 --> 00:42:28,100
well Chris look all the best with it now

908
00:42:33,550 --> 00:42:30,920
if people are going to QED or if you're

909
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:33,560
in the general Manchester area on Friday

910
00:42:37,900 --> 00:42:36,290
the 13th of October this might be the

911
00:42:40,300 --> 00:42:37,910
day for you you don't have to be

912
00:42:42,190 --> 00:42:40,310
attending QED how can people find out

913
00:42:45,700 --> 00:42:42,200
more Chris and how can they book their

914
00:42:48,010 --> 00:42:45,710
15 minutes of fame so there is a website

915
00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:48,020
at skip to camco dot uk'

916
00:42:52,900 --> 00:42:50,090
that's got all the details on it it

917
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:52,910
lists the details of the event where it

918
00:42:57,010 --> 00:42:54,890
is when it is what time it starts

919
00:42:58,780 --> 00:42:57,020
there's info about how to submit a talk

920
00:43:00,340 --> 00:42:58,790
and the torque formats that I explained

921
00:43:02,770 --> 00:43:00,350
earlier and you can just drop all your

922
00:43:05,110 --> 00:43:02,780
details in there and and register the

923
00:43:06,820 --> 00:43:05,120
we're about half full at the moment so

924
00:43:07,990 --> 00:43:06,830
we've still got another Wow four weeks

925
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:08,000
ago

926
00:43:12,190 --> 00:43:10,490
so that those speaker slots are actually

927
00:43:14,050 --> 00:43:12,200
a disappearing quicker than I expected

928
00:43:16,030 --> 00:43:14,060
than two which is great well that's a

929
00:43:18,310 --> 00:43:16,040
good thing but there's your cue people

930
00:43:20,620 --> 00:43:18,320
who are going to be in that area and you

931
00:43:23,290 --> 00:43:20,630
want to give a talk the time is now to

932
00:43:25,900 --> 00:43:23,300
act to make sure you've locked in your

933
00:43:27,190 --> 00:43:25,910
your slot for skeptic camp or Chris I

934
00:43:29,620 --> 00:43:27,200
wish you all the best with that I'm

935
00:43:30,940 --> 00:43:29,630
sorry I can't be there and but I look

936
00:43:33,750 --> 00:43:30,950
for we'll see you next year Richie I

937
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:33,760
look forward no pressure

938
00:43:38,740 --> 00:43:36,290
I look do look forward to giving your

939
00:43:41,260 --> 00:43:38,750
presentation one day it's kept again in

940
00:43:55,630 --> 00:43:41,270
Manchester but first Chris Higgins thank

941
00:43:57,490 --> 00:43:55,640
you very much she is Richard QD 2017 is

942
00:43:57,940 --> 00:43:57,500
fast approaching and you don't want to

943
00:43:59,680 --> 00:43:57,950
miss it

944
00:44:01,930 --> 00:43:59,690
in the asset annuity has brought you the

945
00:44:04,420 --> 00:44:01,940
perils of time the origin of recording

946
00:44:06,550 --> 00:44:04,430
an escape from the Westboro Baptists the

947
00:44:08,950 --> 00:44:06,560
sex bias of sex science and all manner

948
00:44:11,830 --> 00:44:08,960
of other science pseudoscience activism

949
00:44:13,300 --> 00:44:11,840
slacktivism and more plus insects for

950
00:44:15,970 --> 00:44:13,310
breakfast mmm YUM

951
00:44:18,070 --> 00:44:15,980
QED 2017 takes place on the fourteenth

952
00:44:20,230 --> 00:44:18,080
and fifteenth of October in Manchester

953
00:44:22,180 --> 00:44:20,240
England we've already known speakers

954
00:44:24,820 --> 00:44:22,190
like Sophie Wilson co-inventor of the

955
00:44:26,860 --> 00:44:24,830
armed computer chip Simon Singh who will

956
00:44:28,720 --> 00:44:26,870
be showing how to crack a genuine Enigma

957
00:44:29,950 --> 00:44:28,730
machine Phil straightened talking

958
00:44:31,810 --> 00:44:29,960
through the real-life cover-up of the

959
00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:31,820
Hillsborough tragedy and physicists

960
00:44:36,670 --> 00:44:34,610
Helen cherski and Tim O'Brien we'll have

961
00:44:38,350 --> 00:44:36,680
a live show from the para pub boys and

962
00:44:41,650 --> 00:44:38,360
the whole event will be emceed by ace

963
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:41,660
magician Dave anak have some laughs meet

964
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:43,490
some new friends make new connections

965
00:44:47,170 --> 00:44:45,050
all for only 100

966
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:47,180
nine pounds including all the main stage

967
00:44:51,850 --> 00:44:49,970
box panels podcasts or workshops our

968
00:44:55,330 --> 00:44:51,860
Saturday night entertainment and lots

969
00:44:57,770 --> 00:44:55,340
more check out QED con dot org the

970
00:45:11,130 --> 00:44:57,780
details will see you in October

971
00:45:14,860 --> 00:45:11,140
[Music]

972
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:14,870
Australian skeptics are in the news this

973
00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:19,370
time at the ABC ABC nettie you a story

974
00:45:26,590 --> 00:45:21,850
out of Melbourne paranormal proof

975
00:45:30,310 --> 00:45:26,600
Australian skeptics $100,000 prize still

976
00:45:34,930 --> 00:45:30,320
unclaimed 37 years on and this is by

977
00:45:39,250 --> 00:45:34,940
Simon Leo Brown published on the 4th of

978
00:45:42,100 --> 00:45:39,260
September 2017 there's a $100,000 prize

979
00:45:45,250 --> 00:45:42,110
waiting for you if you can read minds

980
00:45:48,460 --> 00:45:45,260
see the future or talk to the dead as

981
00:45:50,740 --> 00:45:48,470
long as you can prove it that is submit

982
00:45:53,140 --> 00:45:50,750
your superpowers to scientific testing

983
00:45:57,430 --> 00:45:53,150
and if you pass you'll be the first to

984
00:45:59,290 --> 00:45:57,440
win the prize in its 37 year history the

985
00:46:01,510 --> 00:45:59,300
Australian skeptics have offered the

986
00:46:03,730 --> 00:46:01,520
money to be awarded to anyone who can

987
00:46:06,460 --> 00:46:03,740
prove they have psychic or paranormal

988
00:46:10,150 --> 00:46:06,470
powers since it was founded in Melbourne

989
00:46:12,580 --> 00:46:10,160
in 1980 quote you get a lot of claims

990
00:46:15,430 --> 00:46:12,590
about people being able to read people's

991
00:46:17,980 --> 00:46:15,440
minds or heal people from a distance end

992
00:46:21,970 --> 00:46:17,990
quote Australian skeptics of Victoria's

993
00:46:24,100 --> 00:46:21,980
Terri Kelly said adding that most balked

994
00:46:26,740 --> 00:46:24,110
at the challenge of confirming their

995
00:46:28,540 --> 00:46:26,750
claim quote it actually has to be proven

996
00:46:31,810 --> 00:46:28,550
in the way that any other scientific

997
00:46:35,020 --> 00:46:31,820
claim would be proved in quote magicians

998
00:46:37,270 --> 00:46:35,030
vs psychics with their focus on science

999
00:46:40,060 --> 00:46:37,280
you might expect most active skeptics to

1000
00:46:42,340 --> 00:46:40,070
be doctors scientists or academics but

1001
00:46:44,710 --> 00:46:42,350
mr. Kelly for example is a social worker

1002
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:44,720
who joined the movement 20 years ago

1003
00:46:51,010 --> 00:46:48,290
after seeing unscrupulous people take

1004
00:46:53,980 --> 00:46:51,020
advantage of his grieving clients quote

1005
00:46:56,020 --> 00:46:53,990
you had people who lost the child going

1006
00:46:58,180 --> 00:46:56,030
off to see clairvoyance claiming the

1007
00:47:01,390 --> 00:46:58,190
clairvoyant had spoken to their

1008
00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:01,400
child in quote he said mr. Kelly said

1009
00:47:05,410 --> 00:47:03,170
many of those active in the skeptics

1010
00:47:08,170 --> 00:47:05,420
community were comedians professional

1011
00:47:10,240 --> 00:47:08,180
gamblers or magicians the movement

1012
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:10,250
countered such names as Tim Minchin

1013
00:47:15,130 --> 00:47:12,890
among its supporters professional

1014
00:47:17,380 --> 00:47:15,140
gamblers were rarely superstitious mr.

1015
00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:17,390
Kelly said and understand the

1016
00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:21,170
probability and chance magicians have to

1017
00:47:25,450 --> 00:47:23,330
balance their work as skeptics with

1018
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:25,460
their professional code which demands

1019
00:47:29,710 --> 00:47:27,290
they never reveal their tricks to the

1020
00:47:32,140 --> 00:47:29,720
public groups are magicians sometimes

1021
00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:32,150
excused themselves from skeptics

1022
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:34,610
meetings to hold private discussions on

1023
00:47:40,270 --> 00:47:37,130
how a display of the paranormal might

1024
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:40,280
have been faked water diviners our

1025
00:47:45,850 --> 00:47:43,370
regular challenges Canadian American

1026
00:47:47,550 --> 00:47:45,860
magician James Randi launched Australian

1027
00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:47,560
skeptics when he was brought out by

1028
00:47:53,130 --> 00:47:50,210
entrepreneur dick Smith to test the

1029
00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:53,140
claims of water diviners the then

1030
00:47:57,540 --> 00:47:55,970
$50,000 prize was short of the 1 million

1031
00:48:00,220 --> 00:47:57,550
offered by Randy's Own foundation

1032
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:00,230
however it has not been on offer since

1033
00:48:06,370 --> 00:48:03,410
Randy's retirement in 2015

1034
00:48:08,830 --> 00:48:06,380
water diviners have since been the most

1035
00:48:11,740 --> 00:48:08,840
active participants in the $100,000

1036
00:48:13,870 --> 00:48:11,750
challenge as it is known submitting

1037
00:48:16,180 --> 00:48:13,880
their dowsing techniques to scientific

1038
00:48:17,020 --> 00:48:16,190
testing on several occasions without

1039
00:48:19,470 --> 00:48:17,030
success

1040
00:48:21,940 --> 00:48:19,480
paying winner would be worth the money

1041
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:21,950
mr. Kelly said there had been fewer

1042
00:48:26,710 --> 00:48:23,930
challenges for the prize in recent years

1043
00:48:28,810 --> 00:48:26,720
and Australian skeptics groups have been

1044
00:48:31,060 --> 00:48:28,820
focused on debunking claims of

1045
00:48:34,330 --> 00:48:31,070
homeopathy practitioners and anti

1046
00:48:36,670 --> 00:48:34,340
vaccine campaigners the $100,000 is

1047
00:48:39,010 --> 00:48:36,680
still up for grabs however with a number

1048
00:48:41,830 --> 00:48:39,020
of benefactors guaranteeing the prize

1049
00:48:44,620 --> 00:48:41,840
quote they are reasonably confident that

1050
00:48:46,690 --> 00:48:44,630
they won't have to contribute so it's

1051
00:48:49,630 --> 00:48:46,700
not that big of a risk as far as they're

1052
00:48:52,660 --> 00:48:49,640
concerned in quote mr. Kelly said quote

1053
00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:52,670
if anyone did actually prove some sort

1054
00:48:57,040 --> 00:48:54,650
of paranormal power it would change

1055
00:48:59,470 --> 00:48:57,050
things so dramatically in certain areas

1056
00:49:02,080 --> 00:48:59,480
that probably then they would consider

1057
00:49:05,410 --> 00:49:02,090
it worth paying the money man quote and

1058
00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:05,420
that report comes to us from ABC net dot

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00:49:17,710 --> 00:49:15,330
[Music]

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00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:17,720
over the years that I've been involved

1061
00:49:23,380 --> 00:49:20,450
with the Australian skeptics we've seen

1062
00:49:27,070 --> 00:49:23,390
quite a few people come and go who

1063
00:49:29,380 --> 00:49:27,080
wanted to claim the $100,000 prize most

1064
00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:29,390
of them as the article suggests have

1065
00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:33,050
been water diviners more and more when

1066
00:49:38,740 --> 00:49:36,170
we offer people who claim to be psychic

1067
00:49:42,670 --> 00:49:38,750
feed their prize of the money they

1068
00:49:45,010 --> 00:49:42,680
rejected out of hand I think after all

1069
00:49:47,860 --> 00:49:45,020
these years a lot of them have seen that

1070
00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:47,870
nobody has claimed the prize so I guess

1071
00:49:57,630 --> 00:49:50,450
they must assume that the money isn't

1072
00:49:59,680 --> 00:49:57,640
real or we cheat or oh well whatever

1073
00:50:01,890 --> 00:49:59,690
psychological tricks their brain plays

1074
00:50:06,100 --> 00:50:01,900
on them to try and excuse them from

1075
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:06,110
applying and you can only push it so far

1076
00:50:10,300 --> 00:50:07,450
you can offer somebody the prize

1077
00:50:15,430 --> 00:50:10,310
$100,000 and they turn it down or you

1078
00:50:18,970 --> 00:50:15,440
can politely try again but there comes a

1079
00:50:20,770 --> 00:50:18,980
point where there's this magical line

1080
00:50:23,560 --> 00:50:20,780
reached and then they'll decide that

1081
00:50:26,740 --> 00:50:23,570
they'll play the victim card those are

1082
00:50:29,740 --> 00:50:26,750
evil skeptics bullying me to take their

1083
00:50:32,200 --> 00:50:29,750
money I know it doesn't exist or I'm not

1084
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interested go away evil skeptics are

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hassling me something like this or or

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00:50:43,090 --> 00:50:39,080
they'll turn it around and they'll use

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the victors amat prize I think that's

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still a million dollars of anybody who

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can disprove his claims of the afterlife

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00:50:52,750 --> 00:50:50,540
of course we know science doesn't work

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like that and indeed our chief

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00:50:57,220 --> 00:50:54,680
investigator Ian Bryce at the Australian

1093
00:51:00,190 --> 00:50:57,230
skeptics here in Sydney once went to a

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00:51:01,990 --> 00:51:00,200
talk by victors Emmet and pressed him

1095
00:51:05,170 --> 00:51:02,000
about the details of this prize and it

1096
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:05,180
soon turned out to be extremely vague

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00:51:09,940 --> 00:51:07,010
and wishy-washy and according to his own

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00:51:13,300 --> 00:51:09,950
criteria and again anything to do with

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00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:13,310
science has long since evaporated if you

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00:51:17,860 --> 00:51:16,130
google victor's am a psychic prize or

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00:51:20,140 --> 00:51:17,870
prize for the afterlife or something

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00:51:22,060 --> 00:51:20,150
like that you'll see this but it's used

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00:51:25,870 --> 00:51:22,070
it's used quite often in fact over the

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00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:25,880
years when I've put our challenge our

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00:51:29,109 --> 00:51:27,410
prize money to various psychic

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00:51:30,849 --> 00:51:29,119
they'll immediately turn it around and

1107
00:51:34,780 --> 00:51:30,859
say well the skeptics have never passed

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00:51:36,339 --> 00:51:34,790
our test as if it's a valid test well

1109
00:51:39,240 --> 00:51:36,349
there are many misconceptions of course

1110
00:51:44,230 --> 00:51:39,250
but one of the major ones is that

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00:51:46,900 --> 00:51:44,240
psychics think that skeptics rigged the

1112
00:51:49,300 --> 00:51:46,910
prize or the challenge so the psychics

1113
00:51:51,099 --> 00:51:49,310
cannot win we get comments along the

1114
00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:51,109
lines of our we don't do things to your

1115
00:51:56,170 --> 00:51:53,690
rules then it's explained to them that

1116
00:51:59,230 --> 00:51:56,180
any tests are done under mutually agreed

1117
00:52:01,510 --> 00:51:59,240
conditions in other words the test

1118
00:52:04,300 --> 00:52:01,520
doesn't go ahead until the claimant is

1119
00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:04,310
very happy with the conditions and they

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00:52:08,819 --> 00:52:07,490
feel confident they can pass which is

1121
00:52:13,150 --> 00:52:08,829
interesting because another

1122
00:52:14,290 --> 00:52:13,160
misconception is that one size fits all

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00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:14,300
in other words people have the

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00:52:20,310 --> 00:52:16,010
impression there's only one test we

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00:52:23,890 --> 00:52:20,320
conduct and which is of course nonsense

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00:52:27,130 --> 00:52:23,900
so a frequent question is well how would

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00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:27,140
you test a psychic and of course there's

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00:52:30,990 --> 00:52:28,970
no answer to that apart from well it

1129
00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:31,000
depends on what the psychic is claiming

1130
00:52:38,380 --> 00:52:33,770
under what conditions they can do their

1131
00:52:42,520 --> 00:52:38,390
claim how how accurate they think they

1132
00:52:44,260 --> 00:52:42,530
are and in fact I have here one of our

1133
00:52:46,420 --> 00:52:44,270
little leaflets from the Australian

1134
00:52:49,900 --> 00:52:46,430
skeptics that we hand out things like

1135
00:52:54,760 --> 00:52:49,910
paranormal Expos Australian skeptics Inc

1136
00:52:56,349 --> 00:52:54,770
$100,000 prize and it says you if you

1137
00:52:58,780 --> 00:52:56,359
are applying for this prize we need to

1138
00:53:01,510 --> 00:52:58,790
know three things and then we can sort

1139
00:53:04,150 --> 00:53:01,520
of continue one what exactly is your

1140
00:53:06,250 --> 00:53:04,160
claim - under what conditions can you

1141
00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:06,260
perform or demonstrate your claim and

1142
00:53:11,770 --> 00:53:08,930
three what success rate do you expect

1143
00:53:13,420 --> 00:53:11,780
now it's it's amazing how many people

1144
00:53:17,140 --> 00:53:13,430
cannot answer the first question let

1145
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:17,150
alone the next two I think one day we'll

1146
00:53:22,839 --> 00:53:21,290
have to write an article or a list or

1147
00:53:25,630 --> 00:53:22,849
something of all the reasons and excuses

1148
00:53:27,990 --> 00:53:25,640
people have come up with for either not

1149
00:53:30,670 --> 00:53:28,000
applying for the test to begin with or

1150
00:53:33,130 --> 00:53:30,680
the reasons and excuses they have for

1151
00:53:36,520 --> 00:53:33,140
failing border diviners especially I

1152
00:53:39,790 --> 00:53:36,530
just renowned for their wonderful

1153
00:53:40,990 --> 00:53:39,800
creative excuses for failing and this

1154
00:53:45,520 --> 00:53:41,000
speaks a lot to their sense

1155
00:53:47,350 --> 00:53:45,530
Saturday because it's psychology if you

1156
00:53:50,860 --> 00:53:47,360
know you can do something and suddenly

1157
00:53:53,680 --> 00:53:50,870
you fail then your brain will race for a

1158
00:53:57,700 --> 00:53:53,690
convincing explanation to you at least

1159
00:54:00,190 --> 00:53:57,710
as to why you failed and any anything

1160
00:54:02,580 --> 00:54:00,200
will do that's why it's true some water

1161
00:54:06,640 --> 00:54:02,590
diamonds have claimed interference with

1162
00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:06,650
electric cables overhead or or anything

1163
00:54:10,720 --> 00:54:08,930
as long as it makes sense to them and

1164
00:54:13,810 --> 00:54:10,730
their brain satisfied that they have to

1165
00:54:17,500 --> 00:54:13,820
be excused for failure but the prize

1166
00:54:21,070 --> 00:54:17,510
continues I know James Randi has retired

1167
00:54:23,140 --> 00:54:21,080
and the $1,000,000 prize is not being

1168
00:54:25,860 --> 00:54:23,150
offered at the moment in the form that

1169
00:54:30,720 --> 00:54:25,870
once was but the Australian skeptics

1170
00:54:33,490 --> 00:54:30,730
$100,000 prize is still on offer

1171
00:54:36,940 --> 00:54:33,500
although it's not a worldwide prize in

1172
00:54:39,220 --> 00:54:36,950
other words you have to be in Australia

1173
00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:39,230
making the claim in Australia you have

1174
00:54:44,860 --> 00:54:41,810
to be Australian it has to be Australia

1175
00:54:47,200 --> 00:54:44,870
based really we can't have it worldwide

1176
00:54:47,750 --> 00:54:47,210
the logistics would make that too

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difficult

1178
00:54:55,010 --> 00:54:50,930
[Music]

1179
00:54:57,830 --> 00:54:55,020
having the $100,000 prize in the news in

1180
00:55:00,650 --> 00:54:57,840
a news outlet led to other media outlets

1181
00:55:02,150 --> 00:55:00,660
peeking up the story and I was contacted

1182
00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:02,160
by the weekend

1183
00:55:07,940 --> 00:55:04,770
sunrise program on the Seven Network

1184
00:55:10,100 --> 00:55:07,950
here in Australia and just yesterday

1185
00:55:12,260 --> 00:55:10,110
morning I went into the studio bright

1186
00:55:15,380 --> 00:55:12,270
and early and appeared on the show to

1187
00:55:17,870 --> 00:55:15,390
talk about the $100,000 prize the hosts

1188
00:55:20,150 --> 00:55:17,880
were Andrew Oh Keith and Monique right

1189
00:55:21,940 --> 00:55:20,160
and the other guests on the show was

1190
00:55:26,110 --> 00:55:21,950
Ruth Phillips

1191
00:55:29,530 --> 00:55:26,120
[Music]

1192
00:55:31,510 --> 00:55:29,540
now $100,000 is up for grabs but there's

1193
00:55:33,970 --> 00:55:31,520
just one catch you have to be able to

1194
00:55:37,570 --> 00:55:33,980
prove that you have psychic abilities

1195
00:55:40,300 --> 00:55:37,580
the Australian skeptics have had the wad

1196
00:55:42,250 --> 00:55:40,310
of cash on offer for 37 years but to

1197
00:55:47,260 --> 00:55:42,260
this day no one has ever been able to

1198
00:55:49,780 --> 00:55:47,270
give them proof of paranormal 'ti there

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00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:49,790
are the psychics and the skeptics and it

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00:55:54,810 --> 00:55:52,490
seems and never the twain shall meet one

1201
00:55:57,610 --> 00:55:54,820
side espouses world with superpowers

1202
00:55:59,530 --> 00:55:57,620
making predictions moving objects

1203
00:56:01,360 --> 00:55:59,540
speaking to dead people they actually

1204
00:56:02,530 --> 00:56:01,370
make a direct connection with the energy

1205
00:56:10,140 --> 00:56:02,540
of the person on the other side when I

1206
00:56:10,150 --> 00:56:16,230
[Music]

1207
00:56:21,150 --> 00:56:18,900
the other will they're skeptical so

1208
00:56:24,330 --> 00:56:21,160
skeptical that the Australian skeptics

1209
00:56:28,050 --> 00:56:24,340
group has been offering a $100,000 prize

1210
00:56:31,610 --> 00:56:28,060
since 1984 anyone with proof of

1211
00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:31,620
paranormal tea they've invited

1212
00:56:35,880 --> 00:56:34,450
soothsayers of all kinds to take on the

1213
00:56:44,790 --> 00:56:35,890
challenge yet no one's been able to

1214
00:56:47,220 --> 00:56:44,800
claim the prize the skeptics believe no

1215
00:56:49,440 --> 00:56:47,230
one actually has special powers so it

1216
00:56:50,010 --> 00:56:49,450
should be wary when seeking them out for

1217
00:56:51,390 --> 00:56:50,020
answers

1218
00:56:53,610 --> 00:56:51,400
it's coming through with your son that's

1219
00:56:54,870 --> 00:56:53,620
how much we're together okay and I feel

1220
00:56:56,010 --> 00:56:54,880
like I need to let you let the family

1221
00:56:57,480 --> 00:56:56,020
know that they're all together

1222
00:56:59,700 --> 00:56:57,490
of course the skeptics say they're

1223
00:57:02,550 --> 00:56:59,710
willing to pay up if anyone can prove

1224
00:57:04,320 --> 00:57:02,560
them wrong and joining us this morning

1225
00:57:07,170 --> 00:57:04,330
is Richard Saunders from the Australian

1226
00:57:08,870 --> 00:57:07,180
skeptics and clairvoyant medium Ruthie

1227
00:57:12,300 --> 00:57:08,880
Phillips good morning to you both

1228
00:57:14,760 --> 00:57:12,310
Richard what are the criteria for this

1229
00:57:18,120 --> 00:57:14,770
challenge I mean what what would you pay

1230
00:57:19,800 --> 00:57:18,130
out on any proof for the paranormal the

1231
00:57:22,110 --> 00:57:19,810
supernatural anything like that

1232
00:57:24,690 --> 00:57:22,120
yes ah as long as it's done under

1233
00:57:26,460 --> 00:57:24,700
mutually agreed fair conditions

1234
00:57:31,470 --> 00:57:26,470
aboveboard and everybody's happy

1235
00:57:33,000 --> 00:57:31,480
so if I were say a water diviner okay

1236
00:57:35,310 --> 00:57:33,010
and I wanted to claim the hundred

1237
00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:35,320
thousand how would you go about

1238
00:57:40,290 --> 00:57:37,810
constructing the experiment depends on

1239
00:57:43,560 --> 00:57:40,300
exactly what you claimed to do but we've

1240
00:57:45,390 --> 00:57:43,570
had hundreds of water diviners try yes

1241
00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:45,400
under their own conditions we'd hide a

1242
00:57:49,710 --> 00:57:47,770
bit of water yeah randomly under maybe

1243
00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:49,720
ten buckets or something years we'd say

1244
00:57:58,260 --> 00:57:52,930
find find the water and this is what

1245
00:58:00,270 --> 00:57:58,270
they use today which they they move

1246
00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:00,280
along and it shows where there is water

1247
00:58:05,670 --> 00:58:03,010
under the ground now Ruthie would you

1248
00:58:08,330 --> 00:58:05,680
say that the criteria set by the

1249
00:58:12,450 --> 00:58:08,340
skeptics society is just too difficult

1250
00:58:13,860 --> 00:58:12,460
for any psychic to to can to prove or is

1251
00:58:15,930 --> 00:58:13,870
it just not worth even trying to prove

1252
00:58:17,760 --> 00:58:15,940
it well coming I personally wouldn't set

1253
00:58:19,340 --> 00:58:17,770
myself up for a fall like that because I

1254
00:58:22,080 --> 00:58:19,350
think that there are so many parameters

1255
00:58:25,000 --> 00:58:22,090
attached to this you can set your own

1256
00:58:27,640 --> 00:58:25,010
conditions to a degree but it's

1257
00:58:30,040 --> 00:58:27,650
in exact science the psychic world the

1258
00:58:32,320 --> 00:58:30,050
spiritual world so you don't have

1259
00:58:34,900 --> 00:58:32,330
control over all of the things like time

1260
00:58:36,490 --> 00:58:34,910
and space and and stuff like that and I

1261
00:58:39,100 --> 00:58:36,500
think that if people are you know you're

1262
00:58:41,320 --> 00:58:39,110
letting them actually choose what their

1263
00:58:42,970 --> 00:58:41,330
task is yes you have to be very

1264
00:58:45,520 --> 00:58:42,980
confident that you can do at a hundred

1265
00:58:47,890 --> 00:58:45,530
percent of the time because over the day

1266
00:58:50,110 --> 00:58:47,900
lots of things can cloud your ability

1267
00:58:53,080 --> 00:58:50,120
whether its water divining its

1268
00:58:55,810 --> 00:58:53,090
predicting the future it makes it very

1269
00:58:57,790 --> 00:58:55,820
difficult the emotions will cloud and

1270
00:59:00,220 --> 00:58:57,800
ask you this is is that the whole notion

1271
00:59:02,590 --> 00:59:00,230
of clairvoyance

1272
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I mean is it premise on the fact that

1273
00:59:09,280 --> 00:59:05,480
there is a spiritual world that exists

1274
00:59:11,890 --> 00:59:09,290
without our world or around our or

1275
00:59:13,270 --> 00:59:11,900
separate from our world my belief is

1276
00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:13,280
that there is a spiritual world

1277
00:59:18,190 --> 00:59:15,010
vibrating in a different frequency

1278
00:59:20,380 --> 00:59:18,200
around us now and we're spiritual beings

1279
00:59:23,020 --> 00:59:20,390
having a physical experience here so

1280
00:59:25,360 --> 00:59:23,030
Richard do you not then accept that

1281
00:59:27,400 --> 00:59:25,370
premise that there is a a spiritual

1282
00:59:27,970 --> 00:59:27,410
world which is somehow different to the

1283
00:59:29,800 --> 00:59:27,980
physical world

1284
00:59:31,810 --> 00:59:29,810
well if there was sufficient evidence to

1285
00:59:33,340 --> 00:59:31,820
and things like saying it's vibrating at

1286
00:59:35,350 --> 00:59:33,350
a different frequency it's just what we

1287
00:59:37,900 --> 00:59:35,360
call word salad these are scientific

1288
00:59:39,850 --> 00:59:37,910
words that the psychics just use they

1289
00:59:41,950 --> 00:59:39,860
either what does it mean vibrating in a

1290
00:59:44,200 --> 00:59:41,960
different frequency but the tests are

1291
00:59:45,700 --> 00:59:44,210
designed with the person wanting to take

1292
00:59:48,690 --> 00:59:45,710
the money to make sure they're happy

1293
00:59:51,310 --> 00:59:48,700
there it is okay that represents the

1294
00:59:55,150 --> 00:59:51,320
$100,000 we try to make it scruple

1295
00:59:58,210 --> 00:59:55,160
affair we want to show the world there

1296
00:59:59,920 --> 00:59:58,220
is psychic or supernatural we don't want

1297
01:00:02,740 --> 00:59:59,930
to debunk anything we want to give

1298
01:00:04,060 --> 01:00:02,750
people every fair chance to show us in

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01:00:05,800 --> 01:00:04,070
the world that they can do the Quran

1300
01:00:08,410 --> 01:00:05,810
well Richard I mean bond can vouch for

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01:00:11,160 --> 01:00:08,420
me that I've seen 10 minutes ago that

1302
01:00:15,520 --> 01:00:11,170
Richard would wear a flying key brooch

1303
01:00:20,080 --> 01:00:15,530
did not they're coming to know whether

1304
01:00:21,970 --> 01:00:20,090
Ruthie sees anything in Richard to find

1305
01:00:23,470 --> 01:00:21,980
the challenge which is amazing to us you

1306
01:00:25,700 --> 01:00:23,480
say thanks

1307
01:00:32,150 --> 01:00:25,710
we thought I'd Richard lovely to have

1308
01:00:34,130 --> 01:00:32,160
you in thanks James now to a story well

1309
01:00:37,600 --> 01:00:34,140
that wraps it up for the $100,000 prize

1310
01:00:40,020 --> 01:00:37,610
at the moment for more information visit

1311
01:00:53,380 --> 01:00:40,030
www.gfi.com/webmonitor

1312
01:00:59,060 --> 01:00:55,760
calling all skeptics in the pub

1313
01:01:03,020 --> 01:00:59,070
organizers across the world we need your

1314
01:01:05,150 --> 01:01:03,030
data this is Brian Eagle from Glasgow

1315
01:01:05,810 --> 01:01:05,160
skeptics here and I'm looking for your

1316
01:01:07,940 --> 01:01:05,820
input

1317
01:01:10,130 --> 01:01:07,950
the skeptics in the pub organizer

1318
01:01:12,200 --> 01:01:10,140
workshop will be back as usual this year

1319
01:01:14,270 --> 01:01:12,210
at QED but we're doing things a little

1320
01:01:16,490 --> 01:01:14,280
differently and we'd like to hear from

1321
01:01:19,850 --> 01:01:16,500
you even if you can't make it to the

1322
01:01:22,130 --> 01:01:19,860
conference this year we want to build as

1323
01:01:24,470 --> 01:01:22,140
accurate a picture as possible about how

1324
01:01:26,720 --> 01:01:24,480
many active skeptics groups there are

1325
01:01:29,630 --> 01:01:26,730
out there and gather some information

1326
01:01:30,920 --> 01:01:29,640
about how you run your operations to do

1327
01:01:34,340 --> 01:01:30,930
this we'd like to invite a

1328
01:01:36,860 --> 01:01:34,350
representative from each si TP group to

1329
01:01:38,750 --> 01:01:36,870
complete a survey the data we gather

1330
01:01:42,470 --> 01:01:38,760
from it will form the basis of how we

1331
01:01:44,240 --> 01:01:42,480
approach the workshop of QED for those

1332
01:01:46,340 --> 01:01:44,250
that are going to be there we'll tailor

1333
01:01:48,470 --> 01:01:46,350
the session based on your survey input

1334
01:01:50,600 --> 01:01:48,480
and discuss the topics that you want to

1335
01:01:52,250 --> 01:01:50,610
cover we'll certainly have the

1336
01:01:55,010 --> 01:01:52,260
opportunity to discuss best practices

1337
01:01:56,270 --> 01:01:55,020
and perhaps amuse ourselves with some of

1338
01:01:58,790 --> 01:01:56,280
the highs and lows we've encountered

1339
01:02:00,920 --> 01:01:58,800
over the year if you're not going to be

1340
01:02:03,350 --> 01:02:00,930
there we're gonna share the data with

1341
01:02:05,300 --> 01:02:03,360
you after the conference and maybe we

1342
01:02:08,600 --> 01:02:05,310
can all find out some best practice

1343
01:02:13,910 --> 01:02:08,610
together to get to the survey please go

1344
01:02:16,880 --> 01:02:13,920
to Glasgow skeptics comm /s ITP or go to

1345
01:02:19,240 --> 01:02:16,890
QED condo org and look for the skeptics

1346
01:02:22,100 --> 01:02:19,250
in the pub organizer workshop page

1347
01:02:39,950 --> 01:02:22,110
looking forward to hearing from you

1348
01:02:45,810 --> 01:02:42,420
thank you for listening to the skipping

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in doing the skeptics own so thank you

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and all those people who listened to the

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podcast for free thank you also coming

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up on next week's show i chat to new

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york author Kurt Anderson about his new

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book fantasy land how America went

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haywire a 500 year history this looks to

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be a fascinating book and I'd chat to

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Kurt about conspiracy theories speaking

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about 9/11 I noticed that after my TV

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appearance you just heard somebody

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popped up on Twitter asking why we don't

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offer our $100,000 - I think disprove

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the official version of 9/11 in other

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words a 9/11 truther popped up demanding

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that skeptics be skeptical of the same

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things he's skeptical of which happens

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quite a lot it's amazing how many people

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are skeptical about one thing or of

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another sometimes incredibly

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irrationally like moon landing or 9/11

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or what happens and when they discover

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that we're not skeptical the skeptical

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community in general are not skeptical

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of the same things they're skeptical of

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they get irate they can't believe that

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they're incensed they think then we are

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part of the 'naughty conspiracy the

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global elite or I don't know what they

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think maybe they think that the the

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press are suppressing crop circles who

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knows crop circles I do like my crop

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circle tire if you watch the video of my

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TV appearance you just heard on the

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sunrise program which linked in the show

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notes you'll see my crop circle tie

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always gets a lot of comments I like

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that tie I found

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oh five six seven years ago on eBay

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it's a and I haven't seen one since and

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I bought two and I gave one to my good

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friend dr. Steve Robertson Victoria the

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UFO expert and he loves it too

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how can you be an expert in something

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that doesn't anyway that's enough for me

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at the moment again thank you to those

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people who support the show but for this

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week this is Richard Saunders signing

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